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William Payne wrote a new post on the site W. Russ Payne 2 months ago
Meta-Ethics to EthicsLast week we examined some problems with anti-realist views of morality: nihilism, the view that there are no moral truths and a […]
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William Payne commented on the post, Our Latest Discord, on the site 2 months, 2 weeks ago
Thanks for these thoughtful comments, Dr. May. It’s fun to play lawyer when we don’t have to stay up all night researching precedents. And I take your point. My non-hypothetical case remained conjectural on a few points of fact. You clearly affirm our shared values in taking outrage to be justified if our factual assumptions are correct. Namely…[Read more]
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William Payne wrote a new post on the site W. Russ Payne 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Critical Thinking Note 30: Intellectual CouragePeople generally have reasons for believing the things they believe. Sometimes those are good reasons and sometimes not. When we […]
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William Payne commented on the post, Our Latest Discord, on the site 3 months ago
Hi Judith,
I think I can do better than a hypothetical. The first thing that comes to mind are the recently ripped down posters. This trollish behavior aimed at silencing our students of color and provoking outrage. The anonymity of this troll’s action makes direct accountability hard to pull off. But faculty did rally to restore students’ voices…[Read more]
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William Payne wrote a new post on the site W. Russ Payne 3 months ago
Our Latest DiscordI am constantly trying to get my students to slow their thinking down and give some thoughtful attention to how conclusions are […]
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You mention “The bigots still face the criticism of many powerful voices on campus including faculty, staff and students.” Can you expand on this? Maybe give a hypothetical as to what this would look like?
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Hi Judith,
I think I can do better than a hypothetical. The first thing that comes to mind are the recently ripped down posters. This trollish behavior aimed at silencing our students of color and provoking outrage. The anonymity of this troll’s action makes direct accountability hard to pull off. But faculty did rally to restore students’ voices by posting the posters in more protected spaces. This doesn’t satisfy our outrage, of course. I’m not sure what would short of the perpetrator being caught on security cameras and brought to account. Dare I note that an official statement of condemnation from administration would mainly publicize the outrage the perpetrator likely aimed to provoke? Personally, I wouldn’t give this person the satisfaction.
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Dr. Payne,
Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of my “statement on statements.” I have enjoyed our conversations about my position, and I appreciate your updates to this post. I think that you have quite fairly captured the competing value propositions, and I don’t have any issues with what you have written about my position of restraint. In fact, I appreciate the generous reading that you have given my writings. As you know, this was not a decision that was made quickly nor was it made easily. There is a long list of readings and a considerable heap of arguments that have been considered including the Kalven report (which is not the position that I have adopted) and arguments made by the president of Seattle University among many other presidential statements.
I would also like to briefly address your non-hypothetical above. One of the things that has been confounding to an ability to respond from my seat is a rush to judgement in too many cases. If I was a lawyer, and I very intentionally am not, I would object to your non-hypothetical because it assumes facts not in evidence.
Unlike the statement on statements, what did or did not occur with respect to the student posters is not a matter of values in the first instance but rather, first, a matter of fact. What values are attached must, I think, rely on those facts as established. The assumption that posters were ripped down and that the intent in doing so was “aimed at silencing our students of color” may, certainly, be correct. They may also be incorrect, and many other possibilities and motivations are in the realm of the possible. If the assumptions are correct, then outrage at an assault on our broadly held values is certainly justified. If those assumptions are not correct, then the outrage may be misplaced and may actually be damaging to our ability to respond to such an assault on our shared values when it does occur. The determination of the truth or falsity of assumptions is often difficult and always takes time.
If the time required to make determinations of fact is not allowed and if the assumptions are accepted as fact absent evidence, the outrage may feel justified when, again, it could in fact be misplaced. If, entirely hypothetically, there was video evidence retrieved a day or two after that showed the poster(s) in question being blown away by a strong gust of wind, that fact would be problematic to the assumptions. And the challenge then is that any statement that confronts the assumptions, now accepted as fact and also imbued with a deeply held value, is too often seen as a challenge to the value that has been embedded in the assumption rather than the assumption itself. I think that is true even if the statement seeks to uphold that very value at the expense of the incorrect assumption. There is, in short, no positive value added or usually received by any statement at that point.
And the silence, the lack of a statement, will then be taken by some as a lack of support for the value in general. Connections will be made and new assumptions generated without the dialogue necessary to validate those new or even the old assumptions (now “facts”). The absence of a statement is newly recreated with whatever value the non-listener wishes to insert whether valid or not, and Griffin v California notwithstanding. I have not yet seen the right moment to “put a stick into the spokes” of that often very rapid cycle.
And so, then I am left wondering how to possibly navigate these difficulties. You and I have briefly discussed the problem of statements about the current war in the middle east as another example. There were many loud voices last October demanding a full-throated and unequivocal statement of support for Israel. The people desiring such were, in that moment, very clear about the value statement and were certain of the moral clarity of their position and I am sure that some still are. However, from my perspective and with the advantage of time, it may be less clear cut than it initially appeared. Some people, including some college and university presidents, who gave such unequivocal statements have certainly come now to regret those unambiguous statements with the admission of new facts and different value propositions into the equation. Many clarifications have been written as the facts and associated values have been stressed and have changed. Those clarifications and even retractions may be necessary, but they also have the effect of devaluing the positional power of the next statement, given that it is issued with the full knowledge by everyone that it might rightly need to be retracted or modified when its internal assumptions prove to be flawed or even incorrect. These are not easy waters to navigate. I think that it all ultimately augurs toward a position of restraint in institutional statements.
I hope that you will accept these thoughts as they are intended, clarifications and examples that might contribute to continued dialogue around these issues.
Dave
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Thanks for these thoughtful comments, Dr. May. It’s fun to play lawyer when we don’t have to stay up all night researching precedents. And I take your point. My non-hypothetical case remained conjectural on a few points of fact. You clearly affirm our shared values in taking outrage to be justified if our factual assumptions are correct. Namely that the posters were deliberately removed and with the intention of silencing our students of color. I don’t take you to be suggesting that we lack compelling evidence to think the posters were deliberately removed. But if by some remote chance there were some other explanation, and you made a presidential statement on the matter, then your office would have egg on its face and its credibility would be undermined when a clear violation of our shared values did occur. Statements from the president’s office are going to be hard to retract. This isn’t the place for learning from our mistakes.
But enough of playing lawyer. Our deliberations here raise broader concerns about epistemic injustice. Of course, the far-fetched hypothetical gust of wind scenario was just meant to illustrate more general hazards of rushed judgement. But now I can hear many of my colleagues complaining that part of the problem of ingrained systemic racism is that the white guys in charge typically lack the lived experience that makes it plain clear that the posters were ripped down and that racism is a factor. To put the point more plainly, I’d expect us to hear things like “What does it take for these white guys to recognize racism when it’s just plain obvious to the people who suffer the impacts?!”
So, point taken on the general grounds for exercising restrain in making statements. But I’d also hope that restraint is well informed by the diverse voices on campus that may be better positioned to recognize clear cases of racism than you or I. For that, we need far more trust and openness in our campus community. The epistemic injustice some will no doubt see in our lawyerly conversation is bound to undermine that and fuel more of the outrage that makes open communication and mutual understanding difficult. I’d recommend acknowledging the hazards of epistemic injustice us white guys face and then making the effort to better understand how the evidence at hand is often more compelling than we might recognize on our own. Perhaps then our colleagues wouldn’t feel so compelled to use loud heated voices. Our failure to make that effort feeds the reactive outrage that periodically rends the fabric of our campus community.
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William Payne wrote a new post on the site W. Russ Payne 5 months, 4 weeks ago
A note on AI for my StudentsSo, I’m starting to see some students use AI to write their assignments. Of course I’m not giving credit for this. So far, AI […]
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Issues for Gen Ed ReformThis document is a brief discussion of issues for Gen Ed reform from conversations in the Fall of 2023. Issues-for-Gen-Ed-reformDownload
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William Payne wrote a new post on the site General Education Reform at BC 6 months, 2 weeks ago
Gen Ed Reform slides for Campus Community Day April 18, 2024We had three hours […] “”
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William Payne wrote a new post on the site General Education Reform at BC 6 months, 2 weeks ago
Gen Ed Reform SummaryThis is a summary of Gen Ed Reform at BC in bullet points sent out to faculty in January of 2024 Gen-Ed-Reform-Summary1Download
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William Payne wrote a new post on the site General Education Reform at BC 6 months, 2 weeks ago
Fall 2023 Gen Ed Reform Progress Report6.-Fall-2023-Gen-Ed-Reform-Progress-ReportDownload
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Legacy Probems, TILTed SolutionsFollowing our […] “”
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TILTing General Education at BCThese are the slides […] “”
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William Payne wrote a new post on the site General Education Reform at BC 6 months, 2 weeks ago
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William Payne wrote a new post on the site General Education Reform at BC 6 months, 2 weeks ago
Reimagining General Education at BCThis is the first of our General Education Working Documents. It was initially shared with BC academic deans in January of 2023. Reimagining-General-Education-at-Bellevue-CollegeDownload
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William Payne wrote a new post on the site General Education Reform at BC 7 months ago
ILO Working Groups Update for Spring 2024Here are some brief […] “”
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Gen Ed Reform Update: Spring 2024We are now over a […] “”
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William Payne wrote a new post on the site W. Russ Payne 7 months, 3 weeks ago
Meaning in LifeJust in time for my Intro Students next week, here’s a first draft of a new chapter on Meaning in Life. Meaning-In-LifeDownload
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Does my class need to claim an ILO?No. Our new General […] “”
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Assessment, Teaching and Learning ConferenceOur team us just […] “”
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William Payne wrote a new post on the site W. Russ Payne 9 months ago
In Defense of PerfectionWe tend to be subjectivists about perfection. But that is hardly the obvious view. It would have struck Descartes and most […]
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